SOURCE COMPARISON 05
The supplied April 3 text exchange records Josh answering the question about his involvement or information and twice offering additional help. No later request, instruction, deadline, or refusal appears in the supplied written exchange.
The substantive comparison below is crawlable static HTML. Source links identify the transcript passage, notice, exhibit, official city source, or approved public record supporting the statement.
SOURCE HIERARCHY
Read the City rule first, then applicable Minnesota authority, the national constitutional standard, judicial interpretation, and the original record. The final layer states the supported application and its limits.
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The adopted Parks Rules place special-event and exclusive-use permits in Chapter 2, Section 2 and the person-specific extended-exclusion standard in Chapter 3, Section 1. Neither provision identifies a separate legal duty requiring Josh to investigate a rumor for the City or answer beyond the information he possessed. L-01 L-06
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Minnesota Constitution article I, section 7 provides that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Whether a protected interest was deprived and what process was required remain issue-specific questions. L-03 MN-05
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The Fourteenth Amendment supplies the federal procedural-due-process framework. The governing question is whether any protected interest was affected and whether the notice and hearing were meaningful in light of the timing, stakes, available evidence, and risk of error. US-01 US-02 US-03
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Thomas confirms that a municipality may administer a content-neutral park-permit system with adequate standards. Goss and Loudermill frame the separate notice-and-response question. None establishes that the April 3 exchange amounted to a refusal or that Josh had an affirmative investigatory duty. SC-11 SC-01 SC-02
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The native April 3 exchange is the strongest contemporaneous record: Hoban asked about a rumored concert, Josh denied involvement, asked what he could do to help, and again offered to ask around after Hoban said the City was following up on a rumor. R-03 R-05
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The exchange contradicts a simple characterization that Josh refused to respond to the visible request. It does not rule out another communication, prove when the decision-maker reviewed the messages, or establish the legal consequence of any separate request.
Evidence integrity
The exclusion notice says Josh’s alleged involvement in an April 11 unlicensed event included denying an express request for information from the Deputy Director of Safety and Inspections.
The supplied April 3 written exchange shows Deputy Director David Hoban self-identifying by name and title, asking about involvement or information, Josh denying knowledge or involvement, and Josh twice offering to help.
The supplied written exchange does not rule out separate internal City communications, and it does not prove when the Parks Director first received or reviewed the texts.
What exact request and response supported the notice phrase, and did officials rely on any communication beyond the visible April 3 exchange?
All Hoban-Josh communications, relevant DSI/Parks/Police/City Attorney communications, rumor intake records, notice drafting history, and records showing when decision-makers reviewed the text exchange.
05 — Information-request record
Displayed text record does not show a refused request; additional City records requested.
The exclusion notice says Josh Liljenquist’s alleged involvement in an April 11 unlicensed event included “denying an express request for information ↗ from the Deputy Director of Safety and Inspections about involvement in said event taking place.” In the April 3 exchange supplied by Josh, Deputy Director David Hoban self-identified by name and title and asked whether Josh had “Do you have any involvement or information ↗” about a proposed concert. Josh denied knowledge or involvement, then twice offered to help. The supplied written thread shows no later instruction, deadline, demand for specific information, or refusal. Josh states that no separate request was made. City records are still needed to identify the exact communication officials relied upon. R-03 R-01
Possible City interpretation: The City could argue that Josh did not ultimately provide the organizer’s identity or that “denying” referred to denying possession of information rather than refusing cooperation. The displayed texts themselves do not show a refusal. If another communication did, that record and its disclosure timing are material unresolved questions.
“including denying an express request for information from the Deputy Director of Safety and Inspections about involvement in said event taking place.”
The City said Josh denied an information request. The disclosed texts show him answering and offering to help.
The screenshot exhibit identifies the sender as “David” in the device thread, and the first message self-identifies the sender as “Dep Dir David Hoban from the city of St Paul.” The material content is rendered below as crawlable HTML so readers and search engines do not need to rely on the image alone.
| Displayed time | Speaker | Message text |
|---|---|---|
| 10:14 | David Hoban | Josh - This is Dep Dir David Hoban from the city of St Paul. Do you have any involvement or information regarding a proposed concert at Fish Hatchery encampment? |
| 10:21 | Josh | A concert? No I don’t even know how that would be possible, I guess I’m confused |
| 10:26 | Hoban | Ok. Thank you. |
| 10:28 | Josh | I can ask around to see though, what can I do to help? |
| 10:40 | Hoban | For awareness it would be highly problematic and illegal so we are just following up on the rumor. |
| 10:41 | Josh | Got it, who told you about this or how did you get my number? |
| 10:47 | Hoban | I got your number from the Parks Director who you shared it with |
| 10:51 | Josh | Oh perfect! Yeah I’ll ask around to see if anyone knows anything and can try to help you to see if it’s a rumor or a real thing! |
The supplied April 3 text exchange records Josh answering the question about his involvement or information and twice offering additional help. No later request, instruction, deadline, or refusal appears in the supplied written exchange. Josh states that this was his complete written exchange with Hoban concerning the proposed concert. The public record reviewed does not rule out separate internal City communications.
The hearing transcript contains the relevant exchange about the text thread: Josh said “I asked how I could help,” counsel asked whether the Parks Director had “do you have a copy of the email or the text,” the Director answered “Yeah, I do,” counsel described Josh as “trying to offer some help” while denying involvement, the Director explained that “DSI manages encampments throughout the city,” and later said Josh was “not affiliated with this event.”
“Yeah, that's what I heard as well. Um, and with the text messages with [city official's name redacted], I asked how I could help and, like, how I could find the person, um, who was doing this.”
“Thank you for pointing that out. So, you do have in your letter also that he sort of refused to help or provide any information, and I—do you have a copy of the email or the text between [city official's name redacted] and Josh?”
“Yeah, I do.”
“Okay. Yeah. I—so I—it seemed, in my reading of those texts, [name redacted], is that he was trying to offer some help, but, uh, also denying involvement. And I, um, [city official's name redacted] seemed sort of appreciative of—of the idea that Josh was looking around to see what he could figure out, but it seemed very clear that Josh was saying, ‘I—this isn't me.’”
“And again, for context, I just want to, like, explain a couple things. DSI manages encampments throughout the city, right? This encampment just happens to be on parkland, right? So there is some—some co-working that has to involve, uh, myself, uh, and him, or other points of contact within each department. Um, so I just want you to know why my name's on this letter, um, and how these processes flow.”
“I think you've made your point. I think you—you've, uh, communicated that you were not affiliated with this event, right? Um, which was an unpermitted concert, whatever it was. Um, and, you know, for whatever occurred with that interaction, which I can follow up on, uh, regarding the sibling, you know, I'm happy to send that information for your review.”
The response “Yeah, I do” establishes that the Director possessed the exchange at the hearing. It does not establish when he first received or reviewed it. This page does not characterize a change of subject, silence, or failure to identify another request as an admission.
Core conclusion: The record establishes that Josh answered the question, denied having involvement or knowledge, and volunteered additional help. It does not establish that he completed a separate investigation; nor do the materials reviewed identify a later request he refused.
Legal framing: Minnesota arbitrary-and-capricious authority can make a conflict between a stated rationale and the record important, and Minnesota municipal-imputation cases can make attribution without a factual connection important. Those authorities do not decide Josh’s case; their relevance depends on whether the City relied on this exchange, whether another request existed, who received or reviewed the full thread, and whether the information-request allegation was material to the exclusion. MN-06 MN-07 MN-01 MN-04
An unredacted device capture was retained privately for provenance review; personal contact details are not published. The missing contact-card image is not used because the opening message’s self-identification and official-document context are stronger public evidence. The later screen recording concerning attachment state is reserved for a separate notice-timing or attachment-chronology issue and is not part of this cooperation analysis.